Curse

the_jos · Jun 13, 2008, 06:29 PM // 18:29

It's easy, people need loads of cash to max their titles.
So lots of farming.
A-net realises that the only way to keep people going is having them grind for the titles so they make farming easier.
And they need to keep people attracted for a year at least.
Hence the SF and Mystic Regeneration buffs.
Expect more in the future.

Rhamia Darigaz · Jun 13, 2008, 06:31 PM // 18:31

i suggest the op play pvp if he wants balance and achievements.
pve is meant to feel like godmode. im sure most people wouldnt be happy if pve were truly balanced. that would mean the mobs might kill you about as often as you kill them. team wipes arent very fun.
edit about the edit in post 20: i see the idea is not new to you. dont like it? dont use it. its pve, you can still win.

Ferret Deathsquad · Jun 13, 2008, 06:34 PM // 18:34

Is it a full moon today BESIDES being friday the 13th (insert evil music) What is with the big NERF parade today? I wanna to Nerf people who want stuff NERFED.

Chthon · Jun 13, 2008, 06:34 PM // 18:34

1. Hey, NEWSFLASH: Perma SF farming chaos plains was already possible with A/Me before the SF buff.

2. Make an assassin if you're jealous.

3. Why, yes, I am planning on using all those ectos to make armor and chaos gloves. No, it wouldn't bother me if I went into RA and saw other people with the same gear. I choose my gear because I like the way it looks, not because I want other people to be impressed by it.

4. No, I'm not jealous that people are getting cool items out of this. I'm getting them too. Everyone wins.

5. Now, if I have one objection to the SF buff, it's that it dumbs down farming. I'd much rather see a build like terra or, even 55-SB, that builds up its invincibility from numerous components rather than one skill that makes you invincible, and a couple of skills to speed its recharge.

6. But you're not making that objection. All I here from you is the "wah wah wah" of someone expressing the "pathetic elitist sentiment." You want a-net to nerf the other players so that they can never acquire the "leet" items/armor/ecto stacks/whatever that make you feel special and superior because you have them and they don't... yet. I've got zero sympathy for that.

Koricen · Jun 13, 2008, 06:36 PM // 18:36

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Originally Posted by phan

Divine ; i know they are .. but these have already been discussed . Anet saw the thread and didn't do anything about it

That isn't the type of comment you should use to defend yourself in this situation. There have been complaints and discussions about the buff to SF before it was even buffed. I'm quite sure Anet knows there are a few people that don't like the buff, but they know that there are farm more that do like it. Considering Anet has had ample time to nerf it, and they have done nothing, then talking about nerfing SF falls into the same category as Ursan and SY.

Rhamia Darigaz · Jun 13, 2008, 06:38 PM // 18:38

id like to reiterate that i think the op's problem is that he wants to compare himself to other people and come out on top. no problem with that, but if you wanna do that ur gonna have to pvp and win. pve and cool gear are not the ways to show off, it means nothing and everybody has everything anyway.

Rakim B · Jun 13, 2008, 06:41 PM // 18:41

Dear Anet, I don't like gravity, it has been negatively affecting the economy of gw for too long, plz nerf

Div · Jun 13, 2008, 06:41 PM // 18:41

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Originally Posted by phan

Divine ; i know they are .. but these have already been discussed . Anet saw the thread and didn't do anything about it .

I was just pointing out the fact that Anet doesn't care anymore, at least care about skill balance or what the "good" players think. They only care about the bad players now because they make up the majority of the playerbase.

They rather piss off the small minority and make the game mindlessly easy so that the majority of the clueless players would have OP skills and be happy because they can finally do tasks in HM as if it was easy-mode. The bad majority wants HM to be easy, and this is part of what provides that to them.

When discussing the PvP/PvE separation, I already pointed out that things like this would happen, where PvE skills would become so incredibly OP that the better PvE population would eventually hate it too. But Anet shrugged it off, because all they want is to appeal to the dumb majority.

oliverrr1989 · Jun 13, 2008, 06:42 PM // 18:42

Read this next line carefully:

People were able to farm UW before.

Shadowform is just another method.
As for it's other uses...doesn't deadly paradox disable attack skills?

EDIT: Also, other people using perma-shadow form does not take away from YOUR enjoyment of the game. Play how you like, it wouldn't bother me.

BlackSephir · Jun 13, 2008, 06:48 PM // 18:48

So, why perma SF from all farming builds?

luwe80 · Jun 13, 2008, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by Ate of DK

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Please do not post if you do not know what you are talking about.

The fact that you mention "SS on a teammate" when the OP is talking about a "solo-farm build" is a painful one.

Edit: This must be the 20th topic on Shadow Form (PvE) this week.

Please STFU. I do know what I'm talking about. See the part about Shock and Whirlwind. The question part of my post might not directly apply to the OP but it applies to the way SF works.

My post informs the OP about SF and also tries to ask more questions about SF. Your post is a childish attempt to start a flame war, boy. Also, the OP does not mention "solo-farm build" he mentions SF being godmode. Please do not post if you do not know what YOU are talking about.

N1ghtstalker · Jun 13, 2008, 06:50 PM // 18:50

i feel you on the SF update
even tho i do it myself it's a bit too imba
but well what do you suggest for a nerf on it?
/signed

AshenX · Jun 13, 2008, 07:02 PM // 19:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

If it's such a staple elite that it becomes the elite of the class in PvE or PvP, I think it's time for a nerf.

/signed

The thing of it is that it isnt THE elite for pve. Its just THE elite for solo farming (or running) on an assassin. For general pve I'll take mobius over SF on a sin anyday. In my personal opinion SF is a poor choice for general pve because the warrior or minions on your team standing next to you will be targeted by an aoe spell. In general pve there are far too many ways to take damage that bypass SF.

Solo farming builds are by nature unbalanced. They allow one character to kill mobs intended as a challenge for teams of eight. Perma SF merely adds assassin to the long list of solo farming options.

Orange Milk · Jun 13, 2008, 07:14 PM // 19:14

Get used to it. And I'm more than willing to bet more IMBA buffs to be rolled out in the future on PvE Split skills.

It's the wave of the futer to make the game beyond easy so people keep playing. It's like this, ANet will and no new content, so they are "reinventing" the old content. People that were never hard core famers and never had nice stuff or never did elite misssions due to difficulry will be able to do those sorts of things now and even more so in the future as more buff are rolled out.

Prior to Ursan how many people had done full UW clears? See no new content, but make old content more accessable and therefore hold the interest of players.

Ursan
Consumables
Shadow Form
Level 10's to EOTN
Big fat end chests in FoW/UW
IMBA PvE Only Skills

The changes keep coming to make old stuff more appealing.

FengShuiDove · Jun 13, 2008, 07:17 PM // 19:17

Also, consider this: there's a 600/Smite team that CLEARED UW with two people. Can two perma-Sins do that? No. Hmmm... which one should we be complaining about?

People will eventually get bored with playing the Assassins they created JUST to farm one area, and when the favor spike dies (which it's currently doing at an incredible rate) then one way or another the sheer quantity of farmers going into FoW/UW will decrease.

Notice that after weeks of people non-stop SF farming Chaos Planes, the prices haven't dropped on ecto. It's because no one sells it to the trader. It's not ruining the economy at all. If anything, it's stimulating the use of gold sinks like FoW armor and Chaos Gloves. The more money that comes out of the game, the more money will go right back in.

<--is really, REALLY tired of all the whining about whatever gets buffed/nerfed.

afya · Jun 13, 2008, 07:57 PM // 19:57

Nerf SF because they can farm chaos planes
Nerf 600/smite because they can farm CoF
Nerf terra because they can solo some parts of UW
Nerf farming builds because people can get what you can't.

Riotgear · Jun 13, 2008, 08:08 PM // 20:08

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Originally Posted by Koricen

My god, three "nerf sf" threads today. Ever think that maybe Anet wanted farming to be easier?

I'm sure that the reason they give you room for 8 people to enter the area is to confuse you, and only truly insightful players will realize they actually intended it to be done with 1.

N1ghtstalker · Jun 13, 2008, 08:10 PM // 20:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trenixz

I don't think they should nerf shadow form, they should just add enemies to the chaos planes with [Signet of Disenchantment] or something similar. Kinda like the dying nightmares.

good suggestion BUT
the UW is a core area so the skill they have to add to the mesmers there has to be core too
just to be logic
i know it sounds stupid but it's like that
all enemies in UW have core skills

Nude Nira · Jun 13, 2008, 08:16 PM // 20:16

I hate all of you.

Stop QQ'ing over a PvE skill ffs...

Mr. Undisclosed · Jun 13, 2008, 08:23 PM // 20:23

/notsigned

Because this thread is stupid and for reasons that have been stated by others.